/hikki/ - NEET / Advice

>>7266
being a fucking hikki is already no work. You are a fuckin hikki or a NEET one is without the other. Saying both is retarded its either or.

>>7267
Being a hikki automatically means being a NEET. You cannot work while also not contributing to society or leaving the house. Being hikki is being NEET by default, thus people using it interchangeably. You are actually retarded to argue otherwise.

>>7276
Thats not what I mean though. What I am trying to say is that Hikki is already the term used for people. You don't call a hikki a neet you call a hikki a fucking hikki because they are more then just a neet. Technically a NEET can be someone who leaves the house has a bit of social interaction with people and isn't afraid to leave the house. Just means you know you are a NEET. IF you are a hikki it implies that you have a mental illness and I don't think 99% of people are going to tell you that you should suffer in your mental illness. A lot of people say being a NEET is a mental illness but it can be a way to reject society and stop helping that society harm people. Such as Varg. Do you consider Varg a normie? There are varying degrees of being a normie. No one is even saying that reddit antiwork type shit is a good idea but we are saying that in general society the one you live in is shit and isn't worth working for. You can also make a justification that humans shouldn't be striving to just work a shitty 9 to 5 job but to strive for greater things. Do you think humanity at large is meant to just struggle in the fields all fucking day picking up horse shit?

>>7277
I agree with this. NEET literally means "Not in Employment, Education, or Training". I'm not any of those but I still get out into the world and socialize with people (some deep socialization at times…). NEET is more of a spectrum where you have people that just don't want to work and want to chill around to those that shut themselves in permanently because they're incapable of going out.
Not all NEET are Hikki but all/most Hikki are NEET. Hikki tend to be obsessive about one/a few specific ecosystems (like Anime/Manga and/or Gaming) and are notable in that they never, ever leave their homes (as portrayed by Japanese media). Hikki definitely is more of a fuzzy term than NEET which is self-explanatory, and really just means "shut-in" in its most simple definition, and of course that implies a lot.

>>7147
This guy is a gigantic fag who likes men and does things with them

Everyone is busy in college so connections are a lot more fragmented than you might think. 4 years go by fast and then you'll never see any of them again so might as well try to expand your circle. For me doing something embarrassing was less painful than regretting not doing anything.

>I never know what to do or say when talking to people
Expressing interest is #1 I think. Lots of people hate the monotony of small talk and they'll really latch onto to something obscure you're into

Depends on how embarrassing something is. I've gotten much better at expressing myself over time, so I clarify stuff much more often now when something does feel embarrassing to me, which isn't often. Sometimes I'll just hold in the feelings or put them behind bigger feelings if I really want to do something and need to push past the embarrassment.
Most people get embarrassed, so you shouldn't feel bad about it in the slightest. Everyone makes mistakes, so when you make yours, just accept them. If people give you shit about embarrassing stuff in the past in a malicious way, then they're bullies, and you should either leave them in silence or just kick their ass(es).

Embarrassment and shame have plagued me all my life, and I'm 31 now and still have trouble dealing with those feelings. I'm currently working on it with a psychotherapist. In my case, the embarrassment itself is relatively benign, the issue is just that it tends to lead me to negative thoughts about myself, such as "I'm stupid and fundamentally defective", which cause me to engage in harmful activities. Those thoughts are often irrational. The therapist has presented me with a sort of mental framework for analysing these thoughts and accompanying feelings, as well as the actions that trigger them. It's very useful to me. I'm still working on getting into a habit of using it. It has me specify the action that happened, the beliefs that arose in my head as a result, the changes in my physical condition (bodily responses to emotions), and the consequences of all the beforementioned, i.e. how I reacted. Then, I can confront my beliefs if they are irrational, and examine my reaction. It's a very versatile tool for introspection.

Self portraits?

not really! I like draw random anime-girls…
this is a self portrait before i cut my hair…I'm not that pretty i only look tired

Hello. Here's me drawing

who is the wageslave?

this is not funny

>>7229
it's going to be okay, it really sucks but as long as you're breathing and faking it enough you'll be okay. no one actually hates quiet or reserved people too much. tell yourself it's only temporary if it helps, everything is.

>>7239
please explain why we have to fake who we are to survive doesn't that seem a little messed up just sayin…

>>7240
are you underage? sometimes people are forced into situations beyond their control, everything is unfair and sometimes it really hits you in the face. trying your best to keep it together can be literally all you have left until you're able to somehow change the situation again. this isn't twitter.

>>7241
>they think they can change the situation
laughingsaladgirls.png

>>7240
Because the real word isn't some blissful reality where "jus b urself" works for a lot of people. There's always the chance that you'll reach the point where being genuine is okay, where you'll have actual friends and a stable enough lifestyle that lets you have some sense of freedom, even if the extent to which you express that freedom is being sad or anxious visibly sometimes. Before you find that chance, though, you may have to fake it until you make it. Keep to yourself, do what's expected, and then go home. It's a way to survive, and not a way to live, but is being a hikkineet forever living, either?

>>7224
Tohnochan has some of the shittiest rules I've ever seen on an imageboard. A shame, really.

>When was the last time you went outside?
a month ago

not much reason to go out again anytime soon

>>7224
Hello /late/r.

>>7224
Late.city is pretty cozy, though i've heard others voice their concerns abt the slow traffic.

>>7222
I highly recommend putting on a comfy podcast as some bg noise, personally helped me alot with my anxiety.

Maybe put it at a lower volume/cover one ear instead of both if you're scared someone might try to cause trouble, and remember, always carry any form of self-defense weapon.

>>7225
Their rules are pretty restrictive but even so there's a lot of activity and good discussion there. I don't agree with all their rules but they have given the board a unique culture and kept the eternal september of 2016 at bay which I appreciate a lot.
>>7228
Sup friend, what's your favorite(s) fizzy drink? Mine's venom killer taipan.
>>7233
/late/ is slow but it's active, and it's culture is the closest I've come to finding another /doomer/ since the great exodus.

>>7112
No.

>>7110
i sometimes wish i could just like, hit pause on reality for a while, experience all sorts of things that i normally couldn't because society, money, time, whatever, and then unpause having gained all that experience and not aged

In my ideal life, I would be rich without working. First, I'd move out of my parent's home. Then I'd put all the bills in automatic payment, and I'd order a new PC online.
That's it. I'd be happy.

I'd be happy.

I can't think of anything else to say. Everything in the entire universe seems dull and unappealing. So in my ideal life, that wouldn't be the case?

Probably neet in my own place except in peak condition health, that's all I'd really want out of my "ideal" lifestyle.

I'd wake up tomorrow completely broke without my pc and in same position if it meant I could be my ideal version of healthy.

>>7176
Great, I agree that it could work then. Good luck with it, hope you the best Anon!

>lol are tulpas actually real.
That wikihow article is absolutely hilarious lol.

I've never interacted with anyone who would've had one, but they sound plausible knowing how tricky our minds can be. Seems extremely hard to achieve something like that though. All the crap about them being actually sentient and some supernatural beings and whatnot is total pseudoscience to me, however

>>7127

you'll never truly be able to escape the loneliness, because it's part of the lifestyle. the best remedy i've found for my own continued isolation is keeping my hobbies interesting to me and my time spent (relatively) meaningfully. the main enemy of a NEET is also their main perk: the endless amount of time you have. if you're able to focus on something cool, for an extended period of time, being alone for all that time isn't so bad.

>>7166
>This advice is going to sound bizarre

nah, it's good advice. i think most people neglect the importance of a rich internal dialogue. i often run things, like thoughts on whatever film i just watched or anxieties about the days ahead, by my "internal voice", and i can have a kind of back-and-forth between myself and myself. it may not be as extreme as a full-on imaginary friend, but that's honestly just one step away from embracing your inner voice and actually engaging with what it has to say.

>>7169
>>7172
>>7189
You're welcome. Glad I could help, in some way.

I wasn't entirely sure how anons here would react to this kind of advice, so I was hesitant to label it as "you absolutely must try this". irl, people who don't suffer from anxiety tend to offer unhelpful advice, saying that you just need to be more social, interact with others more, etc. It gets pretty grating at times. This was one of the few things that helped at a time I wasn't getting therapy.

>>7175
>>7174
For me, I always enjoyed writing stories and creating characters. That's how I was able to personify the voices in my head- but it does take effort and time. If you don't have a lot of practice maintaining that inner world, it can be pretty daunting. But it's rewarding at the same time- like lucid dreaming while you're awake.

One thing that's important is to not go too far with it. If that imaginary friend starts berating you, or you're completely relying on them then it'll become a nightmare to deal with. You've got to integrate it with the real world, and pretend it doesn't exist when you're in public, being observed with others.

>>7183
Headmates aren't really tulpas, though they're similar. I'm not sure what else to call mine- people with DiD create systems they're a part of to deal with trauma, and that's where I got the term from.
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>>7174
I've been trying having an imaginary friend recently, if only because i'm exceptionally bored and enjoy experimenting with strange ideas. I haven't had much luck so far. I do intend to keep trying for a while, as consistency is king, but there've been a couple things that have been difficult for me:
1. I have trouble visualizing people, and especially faces. Also, it's hard to decide how realistic to make them, because I find real people unappealing, but I also don't want a bubblegum looking anime character.
2. No matter which personality I go with, I feel i'm always at a blank for what to make them say/do. The problem is that I don't care about anything, and imagining someone that cares about things I don't is hard.
3. It's pretty tiring.
4. It feels very LARPy, which I know is kind of the point, but I can't get the things I say in response to the imaginary person to feel natural/real or actually representative of me. Not only does it feel like i'm playing out another character in my head, but it also feels like i'm playing out myself as a character, and ideally I want it to feel more natural.

What i'd like to achieve is an independent personality in my head, sorta, that would respond automatically or comment on things automatically without much input from me. I think the ability to do this kind of thing might be related to hypnotic suggestibility, which I know is low for me.

>>7210
Not him and don't have any experience on the matter, but you could start with smaller steps.
Personally been trying to start believing in a deity, even though I'm a very cynical person.
Maybe you could start with an animal, or a faceless person. Imagining someone who is more similar to you might be easier for you than imagining someone who isn't. It might also help to get some reference material for the shape or personality you want your imaginary friend to mimic.
My faith has mostly only shown when I'm in situations of high-stress or pain. Perhaps you can find a friend within you to cheer you up when you are feeling down.
The best of luck to you.

Doc a few months ago said I'm either in a prodromal stage for schizophrenia, have schizoaffective disorder or have schizoid personality disorder. Of course the last option is the best outcome but they're all miserable in their own way.
Can't really say I'm too surprised now that it's all settled into my mind. Back when he first told me I had a slight mental breakdown, but now, like everything else that happened in my life, it's turned into a small whirring hum that never really leaves but doesn't cause any strong emotions one way or the other.
I've had some pretty bad cards dealt to me over my life, but this one has to be the worst just for the level of staying power. I've been mentally abused by my father, bullied through my childhood and teens, raped by one of my best friend, had a girlfriend that almost ruined the little social circle I had, and yet none of that even comes close to being diagnosed as a potential schizophrenic.
Life just kinda sucks right now and the desire to just kinda kill myself grows and grows. I don't like going outside, I don't like talking to people, I don't like consuming media, or playing games, or doing art anymore, or programming. I don't really like doing anything. It'd be more accurate to say what I tolerate the most rather than what I like the most because everything just kind of sucks. I've been NEET for about a year (minus a few months I went to college for a degree I then dropped out of), I spend my days mindlessly watching youtube, playing fighting games, and watching anime barely thinking much about anything. Then I go to bed and kinda mope and sob a little to sleep, and then I wake up and repeat the whole thing over again. It's a tortourous cycle that I can literally feel rotting away my mind, yet whenever I try to do anything about it I just end back up at square 1.
I'm starting university in september at least, not exactly in a degree I'm entirely sure I want to do, but hopefully the change of pace and the forced interactions with new people gets my brain active again where I can atleast be a high functioning manic depressive, rather than some guy who's slowly losing his mind in his room.
Sorry for the rant, I just wanted to get some things off my chest because I don't really have anyone else to talk to about them.

I'm beginning to feel less and less like a hikikomori as the days go by, I think. I used to feel a noticeable distance between me and the outside world but its almost like that distance is dissolving now.

Maybe it's because I'm starting to interact more with others online. I don't use vc and I but I'll listen and respond sometimes over chat. I feel as though I'm losing sight of something or I've yet to realize I've already lost sight of it.

>>2972
I have plenty though I feel it'd be exploitative to share them and for you to share these ancedotes on YouTube.

am doing good. recently ordered a new sleeping bag online as my old one's zipper broke after three years of constant use
i'd recommend any hiki to start sleeping in a sleeping bag rather than a bed, just cuz you don't have to deal with the hassle of wet/sweaty covers and stuff

>>7201
That's… A very interesting idea.

Glad to see all the other INFPs, I love you all. Life sucks doesn't it?

intp-t. typing is nonsense though, you will never get a solid result due to the inherent lack of a single, rigid personality in people. it can be even further complicated by psychological shit like multiplicity.

>>2367
INTP-A here. op's pic related pretty much sums up what everyday feels like.
when socialization and empathy doesn't happen automatically you really feel how little in common everyone has

INTP is the worst personality type to have. It makes your life so much more difficult, not twice as hard more like you're fucked beyond belief.

You are always thinking about living in an ideal world but never actually living in the world you are in now. You're good with theoretical concepts but inept when it comes to practical application of knowledge. This basically makes you incapable of doing most tasks or you do them poorly. You can't stand being around other people but are forced to accept the fact that you can't entirely avoid them.

It's fucking exhausting being alive.

First year I took this test I think I got ISTJ or INTJ. For the next half-decade it was ISTP. Now that I take it again I got INTP (and INFP once that I tried not get to me because this is just a secular zodiac test). The amount of INFPs on imageboards or at least /hikki9kdoomerNEET/ boards explains a lot of the behavior I loathe. The more accurate way to know what type you are is to read the descriptions of the 8 or 10 categories, and be honest with yourself on who you are at the moment, the whole thing reminds me of the Deus Ex AI conversation..
>>3947
>Wishes there was a war to kill people who have more feelings than him. Good reflexes help him dodge responsibility.
That's me.