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>>16433 No.17336
Found this and gave it a crack, a bunch of recent authors aren't in it so I'll just include them here:
Consistently good worlds: Oneiro, Mizkura, 2da, 825, fluxide
Have a few remarkable worlds: Nanika, Uroyu, Holdery, Chonixtu, Rat, Peperoncino-whatever
Mediocre worlds: dotGOV, Murasaki no Yume, concetailys, Lysenthe, arcturus, blacksig, Pixel, glowwoomii, ed25519
Hall of infamy: Inakadomatsu(Runtime Package world guy)
And that's it, feel free to make your own too if you want
https://tiermaker.com/create/yume-2kki-map-developers-1527117 No.17338
>>17336Made my own based on what I've seen/remember; heavily influenced by nostalgia value
Anyone who isn't on here either I don't remember or added their stuff in after I quit playing 2kki
No.17339
>>17338lemniscate was a grommer?
No.17340
>>17339This was discussed previously:
https://uboachan.net/fg/res/11317.html#q15360But to give a quick summary: yes, Lemniscate and Rio were exposed as a child groomers by the victim and got booted out back in the middle of 2022.
No.17341
>>17340Oh I knew there were two groomers but I didn’t know lemniscate was the other one
No.17343
>>17342Fun fact: they tried to cover it up from the fear of more eastern devs leaving the project.
No.17344
>>17341Actually there were three of them, but that third one was a Discord moderator and had nothing to do with the game development.
>>17342>>17343They were saying eastern side was informed about it, but nobody knows
how the eastern side was informed. I personally have no trust in them. Not only they tried to cover up the incident, but one of their Discord moderators (not the groomer, a different one) attempted to put the blame on a grooming victim.
No.17345
>>17344I absolutely doubt they were properly informed, since I'm fairly sure Lemniscate and Rio's content are still in the game.
No.17346
>>17343And also because they (namely Yugamineena, who is still active to this day) were afraid the Yume 2kki team would ban Western fans from ever contributing again in the future (God, I fucking wish)
>>17344>>17345I was curious about this myself and lurked around the 5ch production thread a while back, IIRC the most I saw was a generic-ass "Mr. Rio and Mr. Lemniscate will no longer be updating their maps" without any explanation, which sounds about right. Absolutely fucking rotten people.
No.17347
>>17346>Eastern devs say that Rio and lemniscate will no longer update their maps>no further explanation They most likely were like this because they figured it was their problem not theirs and figured the only solution was to just say that they were banned from working on 2kki and that’s it
However at the same time I also wonder why the fuck they didn’t nuke their worlds from the game did they just figure that people would separate the art from the artist or something if so that’s kind of a stupid and lazy decision ngl
No.17348
>>17344>>17346I see the japanese making fannart of his NPCs sometimes and I think an NPC in one of his worlds eventually became a wearable mask now so either they don't know the full story or they don't care.
>>17347>However at the same time I also wonder why the fuck they didn’t nuke their worlds from the game did they just figure that people would separate the art from the artist or something if so that’s kind of a stupid and lazy decision nglI mean you kind of answered that one yourself, no matter how many temper tantrums wataru has had people still cream themselves over his worlds despite how much he has gone out of his way to fuck the game over.
I personally find the switch up on Rio's shitty-dollar-store-wataru worlds from the western side absolutely hysterical considering the same people that now scoff at them dick rode them to hell and back just before that.
No.17349
>>17348Ooooh, but you see, he was a PEDOPHILE! A PEDOPHILE!
No.17350
>>17349You mean an insecure, furry, flavour of mexican was a pedophile?
Who would have seen that one coming, anon.
No.17354
>>17336>HAL in the Hall of FamePlease explain
No.17355
>>17348>I personally find the switch up on Rio's shitty-dollar-store-wataru worlds from the western side absolutely hysterical considering the same people that now scoff at them dick rode them to hell and back just before that.Well, before wataru came back a lot of users didn’t have a point of comparison or reference for Rio’s work, so that certainly explains some of it. When comparing the knock-off maps to the originals, there’s a pretty clear difference in quality. Wataru’s maps have the same kind of post-industrial and stagnant water aesthetics as Rio, but wataru’s actual level design is significantly better. His work was very good at creating the illusion of scale while (with a couple of exceptions like Cosmic world; they can’t all be winners) being mostly pretty straightforward to navigate and content being distributed appropriately (large maps have a lot of stuff on them spread out, small maps don’t have a lot of negative space, that sort of thing).
Rio straight up did not understand how to execute this effect so he actually went and created the illusory space and it makes all his maps overly large and cumbersome to navigate with nothing to see and a lack of a real sense of progression through a location (compare how the Abandoned Town and the Apartments have distinct zones whereas Rio’s maps are mostly homogenous).
Additionally, seeing that most of Rio’s work was extremely derivative probably also dampened the enthusiasm, even if people don’t know about the grooming shit. It’s like watching a “safe” sequel late in a franchise and then watching the original and discovering like 95% of everything that’s cool about it is just copied from the older work. It just feels empty.
Also, Abandoned Hospital is like a bottom 3 map in not just 2kki but like any fangame I’ve played. It genuinely floors me that 2kki still refuses to implement any kind of oversight to prevent people from creating stuff that mechanically awful.
No.17357
>>17347>why the fuck they didn’t nuke their worlds from the game did they just figure that people would separate the art from the artist or something if so that’s kind of a stupid and lazy decision nglKnowing how Rio named Wintry Clifs and Tomb of Velleities after the victim's suggestions, possibly to score some points with them and advance the grooming process, it's kinda hard to separate the art from this whole thing
No.17360
>>17357Absolutely, this is why that mindset infuriates me. I know this happened years ago and this might be beating a dead horse at this point; but god damn, the impact he had on the game was DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for this grooming shit. When you travel through Rio's worlds in 2kki you are viewing content that was used to establish a pedophile into a position of power. Rio was intentionally using his popularity from his involvement in Yume 2kki to make his victim feel special and lure him in deeper. I don't know how this is so difficult for people to understand. "Separate the art from the artist" my ass, shit's fucked.
No.17361
The lesson to be learned from this all is: People putting their shitty mspaint worlds in 2kki matters more than the victims of pedophiles.
No.17363
>>17361That sounds about right lol
No.17364
>>17357>>17360not sure if thats what it really means to separate art from artist but sure ubuu
No.17366
>>17357>>17360Worse, the worlds were left in because of the victim's wishes.
To all potential groomers, this means if you groom hard enough, your legacy will live on forever thanks to the power of stockholm syndrome!
No.17367
can we just ban all mention of this dogshit game
nobody likes it
nobody likes the characters
nobody likes the developers
just fukken nuke it lmao, our argentittian friend has done more for less
No.17372
>>17370I mean, the fangames wiki shows that there’s been plenty of new releases even in recent years.
Though, I guess most of them are rubbish from the dream diarrhea jam.
No.17373
>>17372i rated braingirl, even though it's as dead as a dingbat and only has a few worlds
its artistically pleasing and it sticks to a lot of the same cool mesoamerican motifs yume nikki did, you might honestly like it even if it is kind of still dotted with the pitfalls of a modern fangame
No.17374
>>17373>dotted with the pitfalls of a modern fangameWhat are those?
No.17375
>>17374evil chungus foreshadowing that doesnt pay off at all; once again just a result of it falling into the pit of unreleased fagnames
try it for yourself, here's the link
https://www.mediafire.com/file/58tdhg671pltcmf/BRAINGIRL_Test_Build_2.zip/file No.17376
>>17375The chasers have pink eyes, don’t they?
No.17377
>>17376i dont actually remember lmao
No.17378
>>17376Except for the fishes, yeah.
No.17379
I have not played 2kki in a bit, but I want to know, is the new remake of Foliage Estate ass, or is it good?
No.17382
>>17379It's easier to navigate, at least.
No.17384
>>17373By the way, there was going to be an update of that game, now I don't know what happened…
No.17385
>>17384yuh, i was talking to the dev on *cough* discord, and they seemed to have a pretty clear vision for the future. wonder what happened? the game was pretty sick though. it did a lot of stuff with mesoamerican imagery, which, despite being one of the coolest parts of yume nikki, isn't really iterated upon in fangames.
No.17390
>>17385>yuh, i was talking to the dev on *cough* discord, and they seemed to have a pretty clear vision for the future. wonder what happened?Disillusionment, burn out, or just moving on to other things, could be anything.
Most fangames are spur of the moment passion projects that almost never make it to end phase because of how time and resource consuming they turn out to be depending on both your skill set and the standard you set out for them, resulting in either 5-year-at-best tier infrequent updates or straight up abandonment.
Part of the reason people still bother with 2kki despite how negative discussion of new versions has gotten is because it at least updates frequently and gives something for people to chew on(and well the online makes it extremely accesible and easy to pick up)
>it did a lot of stuff with mesoamerican imagery, which, despite being one of the coolest parts of yume nikki, isn't really iterated upon in fangames.I've seen a lot of fangames that tried to recreate it with various degrees of success/failure, the ones that failed normally just copied the original game without knowing why they were there and how they applied to Madotsuki's dream world specially, Yume Gatari is the most egregious example that comes to mind of this.
No.17391
>>17385Interesting. Anyway, what I mean, they announced a release date on YNO, but was strange to not see anything since that
No.17392
I unironically enjoy most of modern 2kki except aediorugap, his maps are the equivalent of Yume Nikki fast food.
No.17393
>>17392Much people agree that they improved. The weird conditions for completing things still, but at least art is not such bad, in most examples.
