No.17163
What reason has been given for its removal? Would be interested to hear what's driving this move.
No.17164
>>17163mind the discord, I don't know a whole lot because this was forwarded to me and I'm not in the server, but here is the post.
very baffling to me given that collective unconscious is made BY and FOR the YNO community, so that they're pulling out now is actually quite ludicrous
No.17166
>>17163Long story short, as far as I know it:
> two CUnnygame devs have a minor disagreement> one dev wants to make changes into another dev's "eidola" (aka effect)> that other dev doesn't want these changes to be added, because they go against his "artistic vision"> in the end, that other dev has a brain fart, and he decided to pull all his content out of the game> one of the yno admins joins the party> that yno admin also has a brain fart> yno admin starts crapping on CUnnygame devs for being meanies> CUnnygame devs respond, yno admins doesn't like it> yno admins kick the main CUnnygame dev out of yno for being a meanie> main CUnnygame dev trying to communicate with yno admins through a proxy> yno admins going numb despite other people trying to communicate with them as well to solve the issue> CUnnygame devs decided they had enough> CUnnygame devs are pulling the game off ynoAnd since they're planning to host the game separately from YNO, I wanted to offer them my hosting capabilities, but it seems they don't want to accept my humble offer.
No.17169
i wonder if our russian friend actually knows how annoying it must be when he waddles on over to any given game dev, tips his fedora, and asks if they want it put on his little website
…or if this is just a generational bit.
No.17170
>>17165>YugamineenaIsn't that one of the same dudes who kept the whole 2kki grooming shit with Rio and Lemniscate a secret? Why the fuck is he still around?
No.17171
>>17165>>17164So that's it? the asshat that created the(very ugly looking) medamaude clone of the game shat his diaper after another dev wanted to add a useful functionality to his creatively bankrupt effect because of muh """""""artistic"""""""" vision?
Lol, lmao even.
>>171702kki's fanbase and by extension YNO's user base isn't old enough to understand how an enabler deserves the same, if not more chagrin as the pedophiles they were protecting.
No.17172
this game sucks ass, play .flow instead
No.17173
>>17169>why is the Archivist archivingtruly a mystery
No.17175
>>17169>kept the whole 2kki grooming shit with Rio and Lemniscate a secretI feel like the fault lies in the groomers, rather than the server owner himself. Mind you, he shouldn’t have tried sweeping it under the rug, but I have a feeling that he was nervous, and didn’t know how to handle the conflict properly. If it was a secret, then I feel like Rio and Lem would’ve gotten away with it somehow.
It’s a good thing those groomers were given the boot in the end, though.
No.17176
I miss the times Yume Nikki fangames didn't have to come with tons of Discord retard drama attached
No.17178
>>17176Sadly, it was bound to happen. Some people just cannot handle themselves, especially on Discord.
No.17179
>>17176Organizing shit tends to gravitate towards some sort of chat service for effective communication, except the nature of such chat services is that they're designed to create drama anyways, since you have to be not anonymous to use them. The other problem is again, the Collective Unconscious team trying to allow an unwanted edit when there's a very real chance the person who made those assets that doesn't want the edits could easily pull out of the project because they never had to sign anything, and then several others pulling out as well because they don't like drama. Trying to make changes without realizing that danger is yeah, a pretty dumb choice to make.
No.17180
What do ya’ll reckon another reason they’re doing this is cuz 2kki is permanently the game with the most players on it
Seriously have you ever seen 2kki under 100 players on there
No.17181
>>17180I think the least amount of players I've seen on 2kki was like 96 or around that, but your point stands regardless. While I kinda have my doubts that low playership contributed to the split, I'm sure for some CU devs it must sting a bit.
No.17182
>>17171Rather than just being due to the umbra effect, it must have been something that has been escalating over time.
The effect only worked for teleporting to the Nexus, and apparently they wanted to give it some other teleport functionality in some area. In other words, make it more useful.
Appealing to "artistic vision" and intellectual property seems more like a way to cause trouble than anything else. On the other hand, inviting him to leave the project just for that reason seems disproportionate.
No.17183
After looking into things, it really seems there has been a lot of drama.
>>17165The admin's message is written in a really manipulative way.
That message mentions that YNO's core staff is disassociating itself from CU. What it does not mention is that one of those staff members is disassociating himself directly from everything related to YNO after learning that they were going to eliminate CU and had not even told him about it. (In fact, that person appears on the new CU server apologizing for the situation and expressing deep regret for everything that happened.)
> Possibly motivated by this rift, we know that Maple, one of CU's managers, attempted to access sections of YNO servers without permission today.There are messages on the new CU server from that same day on Maple commenting that she had found the CU saves. Most likely, she didn't know that she was downloading all the saves. Basically because the messages from the new server include a screenshot showing the downloaded files being moved to a directory whose name only refers to CU.
> Multiple members of YNO staff have become increasingly unwelcome among the CU managers. As Somnium and Hyo have tried to maintain civility and compromise, there have been increasingly hostile sentiments:The attached screenshots do not show much hostility. What you see in those screenshots are CU managers who are tired and angry because they understand that removing content and taking down the YNO page is intended to kill the project. If that's hostility, then my LoL chat logs are war crimes (I've been chatbanned 33 times, 34 times of which without any reason). It is understandable that if they are angry, they may respond somewhat rudely.
> Furthermore, during these disagreements, a likely member of the CU community had attempted to dox Hyo. Thankfully, it was only their old address, but this is nonetheless unacceptable behavior for anyone of any community:A random idiot like me thinking he's in the LoL chat.
What I think is that over time there have been differences and character clashes between people that have ultimately exploded into all of this.
No.17184
>>17173thats not what i said but ok :P
No.17186
>>17177>All of your right are belong to usI think this is mostly how it works with 2kki's assets when people upload them to the repository for devs to use for their worlds, most effects were implemented this way iirc, and I don't think there has ever been a recorded melty regarding changes to effects because once you upload it it's everyone's game.
2kki's current updates and overall quality as a fangame might have degraded considerably in this day and age but at least they never had trouble with crap like what happened here with assholes actively looking for a double whammy in a coordinated attack to kill the game by removing their contributions
Regardless of how I feel about CU it still sucks to see yet another western project crashing and burning this badly because of dumb Discord drama and in-fighting between creators
No.17187
>>17186That makes me think has uneven dream crashed and burned yet?
No.17188
>>17187Doesn't seem so nowadays. I know that a number of people pulled off the project some years ago, but it still keeps trucking along iirc.
No.17189
>>17187Last update was 0.09 in october 3rd this year, so yeah that's still going
Last version I played was 0.08 and it was ok, kind of a small game for a collaborative project that has been going for 10 years
No.17191
>>17186I think another factor that 2kki has in its favor is that it's maintained by the Japanese. As much as I hate generalizing, I think most of us know that the Japanese are way more restrained and collectivist and are more willing stick it out for the greater good. None of that looks to be present in the CU situation, where "it's my way or the highway" seems to be the common attitude.
No.17192
can we stop bumping this retarded heap of chunky goyslop please
No.17194
why do people even care about these "games"
No.17196
>>17180CU had been slowly gaining regular players so I doubt it, I saw it going over a hundred multiple times these last few months. Honestly it's kinda crazy shit came to this, hopefully it doesn't spiral into them going full discord schizo and shutting YNO down, the site itself is very unmaintained and the login flow is completely fucked after they did those anti bot measures. Figured I'd try to help but apparently their game sites are closed source.
No.17197
>Collective Unconscious will be available to play on YNOproject until 28 December 2025 00:00.
>After this, it will be removed from the website. The game will still be available through their discord server, which is available in #places.
per the announcement they just made on the YNO discord. does this mean that CU will be locked behind their discord server from now on instead of hosted on its own website? i dont know how this stuff works sorry
No.17198
They just announced they are keeping it up for another week but after that it’s over
No.17200
They have created a Word document in Drive with the things to be removed from the game and the current progress of the migration.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yg28BoHpxgsMqlO7eJtXdD1CGaxKbGHD-FrqBguWl88/edit?pli=1&gid=770177409#gid=770177409 No.17201
>>17199Someone clearly has a hate boner
No.17203
>>17187Probably. It's a western clone of 2kki made by some retarded fag. Nobody cares that much about Uneven Dream anyway, they prefer playing the original fangame that still gets updates to this day. But who knows, that might change as well.
No.17204
>>17186>yet anotherThere’s another one?
No.17205
>>17166Important missed detail is the devs didnt do it
The yno admins were so annoyed at how much muh artistic vision was being argued against that they wanted to nuke the dev discord server and remove the game from yno
The devs wouldnt even have known it would happen until a week or so before when a dev with admin channel perms leaked their plans
No.17206
>>17205What a bunch of cunts
No.17208
>>17205From the outside, what can be seen is that the administrators of yno have acted with considerable malice.
No.17211
Ya’ll do know there’s gonna be an offline version right?
No.17213
>>17212Nah I’m just mentioning that cuz that’s news a certain fangame archiver would like to hear
No.17215
Certain archivist has the online version already
No.17216
God I hate discord schizos
No.17217
God I hate discord
No.17220
>>17215Actually that reminds me does he have the version with the “plagiarised worlds” in them?
No.17221
God I hate
No.17222
God I
No.17223
God
No.17224
No.17225
>>17220First version should be here if the links still work >>>16142
Have a list of some of the worlds it "referenced" as a bonus for some funsies
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-lZvEJ67VyR8h-2BFPXUBeJ642DythiY6nJ91GALgdM/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.77kdtnlzby46 No.17226
>>17225 Whoops 3 arrows
>>16142 No.17228
>>17215reporter.yno.news has uploaded the offline build of the game (
https://yno.news/cu/)
No.17229
I'm just so blindsided. No one could have seen anything like this coming.
No.17230
>>17229It was an all western 2kki clone, the schizophrenia and derangement were already implied. Though I didn't realize that the entire ynoproject was run by such unstable people, though the whole Rio drama probably set a precedent.
No.17231
>>17230It all fell apart once YNO and 2kkicord came into existence. Ever since then, it's never been the same.
No.17232
im still ass hurt about being booted so I wish them a very happy EOS
No.17233
>>17231>>17230>>17229At the end of the day is just how says
>>17191The Japanese are just better at crap like this(for the most part at least) and it was something that was just bound to happen as people got into petty slapfights and head-butted constantly for power over the game.
For 2kki it also helps development and management talk takes place in gated threads in 5ch rather than Discord.
No.17234
>>17229Have you forgotten how did Lapis joining 2kki team go?
Given enough time, any indie gamedev project run by Westerners regresses into harebrained drama eventually breaking everything apart.
No.17235
>>17234Who da faq is lapis
No.17236
>>17235Ruri/Lapis/River was a former overseas dev that caused trouble with the japs for reasons I only remember being really stupid and got so assblasted xhe pulled all of xer worlds from 2kki and dumped them in the nearest junkyard that was Uneven Dream
Pretty sure xer melty also motivated Wataru to pull that nasty stunt where he took out all of his worlds from the game shortly after in version 0.113 (Ruri took xer worlds out in 0.112) until qxy cozied up to him and convinced him to add them back in 0.119(aka two whole years after) but take this with a huge grain of salt.
No.17237
>>17200aw crap, I actually liked runaway crossing, tatami galaxy, subterranean stadium, and pale park, and also the whole damn nexus. I suppose those assets are going to be reused somewhere?
No.17238
>>17237as in, assets reused in another game I meant
No.17243
>>17186I clearly believe you've hit the nail on the head.
What happened seems more like a power struggle than anything else. At no point does it appear that the best interests of the group were sought. No mutual understanding either. And, in general, a significant lack of maturity on all sides.
No.17244
>>17236Wataru tried to mass delete his stuff more than once in the past, except each time the attempt has been vetoed by the rest of the devs and so he relented in the end. But after Lapis nuked their content without anyone's sanction, he later did the same, this time around without listening to anyone. So yeah, kudos to Lapis for contributing to that nonsense, too.
No.17247
Rip cu tomorrow I guess
No.17248
>>17211>>17213It's good that they want to make an offline build, but I don't like the idea that they're gonna release the offline build under the same version as the current one (which is ver.0.4.5) and with lots of content being removed/replaced, so feel free to download the
TRUE offline build with no content replacement/removals:
https://midget.yumeboo.ru/freecunnygame
