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>>3711
Actually, you're right about one thing. It's better to do away with politics entirely. I'll go ahead and fix that.

I'm going to assume that you don't actually think Uboachan should be a platform for literal naziism. I'll also give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you don't think that sexism, racism, homophobia, or transphobia are legitimate political positions, because you weren't very specific about which part you took issue with.

Where those things are discussed or joked about, people will appear who promulgate all of the above. Before I let this place go to shit, we had lots of female members and transgender content creators. Most of those users left a long time ago, because people who support the things I mentioned made them feel unwelcome. This was supposed to be a Yume Nikki fansite, a content creator and indie gamer hangout, and a NEET support group, not a burning racist clown car.

You say it's about politics, but why should I allow people to promote the ideology that is trying to take away my friends' and partners' right to live freely? That person wants trans people dead. He hates blacks and mexicans. He's a confirmed rapist and misogynist. Those aren't political opinions. So it's not about politics for me, it's about everyone feeling safe, and speaking openly about Yume Nikki, indie games, content creation, and their personal problems without getting shit on. I don't actually believe that banning these things will make you feel unsafe, but keeping them around will make a lot of people feel unsafe. If Biden or Obama or even Bernie Sanders did those things (and Biden did some of them!) I wouldn't want their images in a space I want to be safe for those groups of people either.

So why did I allow it all for so long? Because years on 4chan and 4chon addled my brain and made me value free speech over freedom itself. I realized that I was embarrassed to invite friends here, that I was ashamed to be the owner of what could have been and once was a flourishing Yume Nikki fansite, content creator, and indie gamer hangout, before I fucked it all up by letting people like I once was chase out so many of the users who added value to this community. I was afraid that anyone I invited here would be chased out too, or would think less of me for running the place. You shouldn't need to have a thick skin to be a fan of Yume Nikki. Our reputation is trashed, the mods have left because I prevented them from doing their jobs, my own partner who was once a prolific game creator on this site is afraid to be here. I'm tired of ignoring the problem.

So, nah. I'm not rolling it back, but I'll take your suggestion and ban political discussion and imagery completely. (Not really sure what counts as leftist imagery though. Karl Marx or something? Bernie Sanders? Sure, they're banned too.)

And yes, Uboachan now is and ought to be a safe space. Deal with it.

>>3712
Wait, hold up.
A place on the Internet without politics?
I surely hope that you achieve that because this is what I have been searching for since a decade.

>>3713
Yeah I hope so too. A little bit will always creep through because humans are political creatures, but we can probably hold the overt stuff at bay.

Eh, to be honest I don't really care of any of this political bullshit so I'm alright with the changes. People who want to engage in that normie shit can go back to 4chan, 8chan (is it stilll alive? lefty pol whatever lefty pol exists nowadays), twitter or facebook or any of those stupid sites and shitpost there.

I always wanted my ubuu to be full /jp/. Sushi and kakashi-nenpo have been my letout and I mostly come here for /og/ and /yn/ mango nowadays anyway.

Are you having plans on promoting the site again, sei? The site is mostly depopulated because the users we had left and the only ones that still lurk around are people like me who can't let it go, for whatever reasons. It'd be nice to see if we can at least have some more activity.
Don't get me wrong, I love my ubuu slow, but we're on a point where there's barely any activity and I kind of miss coming here like I used to in 2011 and find cool stuff and being able to discuss niche or rare games.

>>3715
Once I'm fairly confident that the new rules are working as intended, I'll probably start promoting again, yes. Promotions will fall on deaf ears in any communities that already know of us if I can't say that the place has changed.

The Discord server also requires some consideration, but I'll have to give that some separate attention. I'm not very active there currently and don't know what's going on there, and don't think I can work on reshaping both communities at once.

I knew imageboards were infested with normalf* but i've never seen it this blantant before.

>>3717

Imageboards (and non-social media forums) have been largely dead since 2013-2014. Most of the smaller and more obscure chans have expired domains or see less than 50 posts per year. I do the rounds on the few sites left every couple of months and it's witnessing the same slow death as always. I stopped regularly visiting here because there's no activity, the overall post quality has dropped significantly, and most of the community has already left.

>>3711
what was it like in the old days?

>>3725
It was glorious. Not sure what happened to STI, maybe he has a [redacted] gf.

>>3712
it took years, but we all got old…

i wouldn't beat yourself up too much over it, with their skin thin as it is they would've left for one reason or another regardless of how much you tried policing things; it wouldn't be enough for most. you have disparate groups of people who will always rub up against each other, and i'm not talking about racists, just people who still want to be able to use the word 'faggot' and make an absurd joke without having to look over their shoulder to see if they're breaking any rules.

still, a very touching post and i understand where you're coming from; sad to hear but again, I wouldn't necessarily believe that things would have worked out very differently had you made changes sooner.
places like this have been doomed for a long time with the way the internet has gone. perhaps in even further time as we see the numbers continue to dwindle, it will result in the few left consolidating ourselves, congregating to a smaller number of core places that will result in things appearing as being more lively again.

regardless of any slight difference of opinion, thank you for your continued service.
but as you say… it's probably just my 4chan addled brain.

>>3749
The word faggot was always used in this site, even by staff, and nobody gave a damn, it's part of the accepted vocabulary here.

It's common knowledge that if I call anyone a faggot I won't receive any penalty, however, if I start pushing about how gays should burn in hell and jews should be gassed, then of course I will get banned.

On the other side of the spectrum, in general nobody likes people who get offended over everything.

We are on the soft side of the imageboard spectrum, that doesn't mean we are going to stop calling each other faggots.

tl;dr the middle ground is free speech yes, but don't use it to purposely hurt others

>>3750
I know and that's good, but when you write rules as these it makes it appear to anyone taking a glance that they are much more authoritative than what they are really enforced as. Because y'know, it says right there, "no slurs" and excludes humor and sarcasm from being excuses too.

Because yes, I very much agree exactly with your post.

>>3750
>that doesn't mean we are going to stop calling each other faggots.
Looks like you're wrong about that. Honestly, every time I revisit this shit hole, I'm amazed by the new ways Sei manages to make it worse.

>>3762
I won't comment on the suspicious timing of your post.

>>3751
That's how I want them to appear at a glance. The situations are limited where I'll allow them to be skirted and it is best not to codify those.



Also I suspect that having an LBGT board on the front page will piss off a few of our users, and that's keikakudoori.

>>3763
I'm not trying to hide my disdain. There's nothing "suspicious" about it. Injecting SJW, social movement crap into an imageboard you didn't even make, pretending with all your might it belongs, and then patting yourself on the back for being such a great person who "keeps up with the times", is exactly what's disgusting to me.
>that's keikakudoori
So you ARE actively trying to alienate some of the few remaining posters left, in the naive, idiotic hope they'll be replaced with ones you like more. tsukihime should have been running it.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>3764
I'd say I agree but I guess we can't

I expected some users to be angry that I created an LBGT board or warned someone for bashing at a trans user, but it was more sad than I expected to see it actually happen. >>3764 did confirm that their reaction was brought about due to those actions two days ago, which is why I banned them. Apparently the existence of trans people is a very controversial topic here, which is pretty fucked because I still remember when a shitton of our users were openly trans and that's not possible anymore because of my numerous failures. Maybe I can at least have some catharsis by doing what literally my entire moderation staff was begging me to do the whole time. And if everyone who's still left leaves the vomitive shithole in the end, maybe that isn't such a bad thing.

I really want there to be something left here worth saving, but every day I drift further from wanting to be associated with this place anymore, even though I love it and owe it a lot, it's painful for me to be here. There's probably no one I can trust to run this place, so I feel obligated, even if I'm not the right person to do it.

>>3762
this; /q/ is a pointless board, there is literally nothing to discuss of value that you can't realise yourself. its an inherently selfish topic on a selfless platform. the most you're gonna get is inc_lposting, names/trips, "do i pass?" selfie spam&drama (/cos/ anyone?), and other unsavoury topics and narc users that really, really shouldn't be here. im ABCD+ myself and I literally have nothing to discuss. you're also gonna get eternal rage from random imageboard stragglers for having an official F_ggot(c) board. a lot of *chan users are transphobic to the point of being deranged, and your d0x are out there; if the promocode meme is true and an autistic enough outsider group takes notice, that's bad, bad news. be careful
sei, your userbase also has plenty of underage people, and your d_scord a grooming problem to say the least. I refuse to explain how this relates to /q/ but you should be able to do the math.
I would argue more about it but I don't really care, I barely post here anymore and >half the recent posts turn me off (more so my issue than the site's), just be wary.
>>3764
i had this page open for a while, he edited his post, he said
>That said, as far as slurs go, that is probably the only one I'd still find remotely acceptable in limited circumstances, and it would be measured heavily against Rule 6.
but it got edited out so i guess we can't call each other fgts anymoar, pretty gay
that being said anti-SJW's and the SJW's themselves are equally as annoying. I WILL say n_gger and you can't take that away from me (pls don't), but I won't unironically rage about blax or post so very shocking pr0ns (lol) "to fight against the normalf_gs", that's just sad. I refuse to believe that in a small community, you can't reach a balance where slurs are used for lols only.

on your deleted post, pandering to people with social media sensitivities is a losing battle; they will stay in social media; where they can filter content by themselves instead of relying on an outside force. and I don't think the issue was slurs or a safespace or anything, just that a single person could literally derail entire threads (shit like this STILL happens) with flamebait; and with a state of relative inactivity that was the first thing people would see.

also chill with the deleting and editing messages im having a hard time keeping up

>>3769
There are actually some good points here, whereas >>3764 made it out like their entire argument was based on LGBT itself being just an SJW talking point.

I have basically no involvement in the Discord, and Discord mods have basically no involvement here. I'm on my own.

Maybe I had found some equilibrium and banning that one user in /hikki/ would have been enough. You are probably right, for some of the reasons you laid out /q/ is not a great idea, not least of all because it isn't safe here and probably will never be, which while it fucks with me severely, the chansphere itself is probably just fucked for that kind of discussion. Maybe it's ok on sushichan but that place is special among imageboards.

I may just not be NEET enough to run this place anymore. It's impossible to reconcile what's expected of me to keep things running smoothly here with the person I'm becoming IRL. I wonder how long I can maintain some kind of status quo here? I don't wanna ditch everyone but fuck if it isn't extremely hard sometimes. Running this place while trying to be a decent person IRL is giving me a split personality.

I'll give >>3764 the benefit of the doubt and unban them, and I'm going to shut down /q/, you have convinced me that this cannot be made a safe place for certain topics because of the kinds of people who make up the vast majority of the chansphere these days. Maybe it's the times that have changed, rather than my particular mistakes, that chased out the people I liked.

>>3769
this post had more censorship than most hentai I've seen

>>3770
You know, I thought you'd double down, since that's what you usually do sei, but you've surprised me. Thought I had you figured out. So how much would it cost for someone to buy Uboachan off you? Seems like that would take a real weight off your shoulders. You've asked for donations before even though Writer offered to pay for hosting, so I don't see why you'd be opposed to the idea.
>>3639
>I've told Sei that at any time that hosting the site becomes untenable, I can host it out of pocket without donations, since I have a job… Also, no one notified me of such a life or death struggle for the site

>>3772
>donations
Well more like massive red text warnings about the site going down TODAY unless somebody pays up, but you know, same difference.

>>3772
> So how much would it cost for someone to buy Uboachan off you?

It's a funny question. Since nobody here has names, I have no idea who to trust, if I did decide I wanted to sell it. I have no staff to choose from either.

I still care about Uboachan so I can't just give it to anyone, but that might mean I'm stuck with it, if there's no one left that I actually know.

Disclaimer, it was not me this time. I couldn't care less if people want to post about being gay and whatever as long as I can keep shitposting and making people upset about minor things AKA harmless funposting.

>>3774
If you want my opinion specificly, I think a board is a bit excessive because it leaves the staff open to accusations of SJW/censorship/safespace and a lot more of things that anti-LGBT people and outsiders can exploit to use our imageboard purist users to riot and keep the site hostile

You could simply have a "LGBT General thread" in /hikki/ or something, add "we're LGBT friendly" to the site's description or to the sticky or to a homepage announcement, and when a hateful player appears just ban them on the spot and call it a day.

Same result, less risk.

tl;dr just ban harder

>>3775
Thanks Seagal, your wisdom knows no bounds. That said I think I will stick with subtlety for now while I regain my lost energy. Attempting such a change impulsively and without any staff to back me up and help me plan it produces too much strain in the community for me to handle on my own, and my mind and heart can't keep up with it. Today has been a confusing mess that I am still trying to process.

There may yet be a better way to make this website more friendly and welcoming, but it might have to wait for me to find more people willing to help me, if such a thing can even happen at this point. I am only one Seisatsu.

>>3769
>a lot of *chan users are transphobic to the point of being deranged, and your d0x are out there; if the promocode meme is true and an autistic enough outsider group takes notice, that's bad, bad news. be careful
It is endlessly infuriating to me, that the lesson the chanverse took from the 2010s and the 'vampire castle' was not "sociopaths are bad, so try to limit their leverage" but "sociopaths have power, so we should do exactly what they're doing, especially punishing random neurodivergents who have nothing to do with anything".

The "you have become the very thing you swore to destroy" meme is basic, but fuck me if it isn't exactly what happened.

>>3787
>sociopaths are bad
That's ableist. People with aspd are neurodivergent.

>>3788
who cares?

>>3789
You supposedly do. You're a hypocrite.

>>3790
Most people with diagnosed aspd also have nothing to do with anything and lead decent lives. Yet it's socially acceptable to demonize them and use outdated terms for their condition as a synonym for anybody that hurts others for their own benefit.

>>3791
I mean I have [redacted] but I don't get upset when I see people calling shit [redacted] because I understand that it's very annoying to live with

also I've got reservations about the whole ASPD vampire chic thing. Like, I understand being sick of hypertrophied '10s moralism, and I understand being enraged at having to accept bad arguments from smug people in regard to various taboos that aren't even usefully enforced, and I sympathize with having been beaten on enough that other people default to vermin, but we already did this and it resulted in, like, the occurring noetic-historical moment, so

Ok I think this thread has seen enough.