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No.165
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spoiler image pls
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>>223
see
>>217
Most of the mod staff agreed to "let's have people spoil pornographic material in the board" and it just never got updated on the rules page. We've mentioned it to Seisatsu, but it's so trivial that the page never got that update.
Board's always been nsfw, but we wanted to change that a little for those who may be uncomfortable with elements of pornography present.
>>221
The IRC is much more sfw now, not because of surfing at work places, but people are generally more sensitive to it. Generally the extreme "DEAL WITH IT OR GET OUT" policy doesn't really apply well seeing as we're a small community and it doesn't seem wise to shit on one party's face just because it's DA INTERNETZ LOL D.W/IT. Not implying that's what you think, just putting that out there. Generally agree though.
>>163
I agree with this also, I feel certain boards have a general standard but then that begs the question "Which boards should be spoilered for courtesy's sake?" Which leaves more discussion.
I'm pretty indifferent on the spoilering, I'm just speaking for the people who have mentioned that it bothers them.
Would like to see this resolved though, seeing as it has been a recurring (and slightly irritating) issue.
Also, my stance on guro is drawn or otherwise erotica involving gore. Otherwise, gore, should be fine. IE: Look at Shitai-san and various fangames. They have blood and gore, etc.
Although honestly, I'm pretty sure no one wants to see crushed kitten skulls on the board, etc. Agree/disagree? Figure I'd bring this up too because this was another issue that I myself dealt with when I tempbanned for a guro picture that I felt didn't belong on the board. This rule is actually a rule on the faqs, but people seem to be up in arms about the definition of guro and get somewhat flustered about it.
No.231
>>229
yeah, people dont want to see stomped kittens.
but i mean, why are kittens the sacred material? :p im sure it was just an example, but it brings up a good point: special treatment is given to certain types of gore images/victims all the time and it doesnt make sense to me… violent/graphic material is violent/graphic material.
i think that if it is above a certain point, graphic material should be censored, be it violent, sexual, (or, and i hope i never see this, sexually violent). but i dont know what that point should be to be fair, and that would require a lot of discussion, which will probably happen in >>225 , for the gore, and in this topic, the sexualization cutoff.
No.232
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>>230
I was honestly being arbitrary with that example, anything overly excessive should be spoilered or not posted at all. Imo, porn and gore both.
Getting back to the topic, seeing as like you pointed out there is another thread mentioning the gore thing, I'm sure people have common sense to differentiate between not spoilering something softcore or half naked and spoiler full on crazy hardcore porn.
Provided the staff just doesn't go "we don't care anymore, go nuts"
No.247
>>243
And then people realize it's all pixelated so your argument makes no sense. Pixel gore != irl gore.
>>238
Seisatsu is (or has been) in the hospital, if what I'm hearing is correct, so he hasn't been able to do anything with the site. That includes updating the rules, because he's the only one with access to that afaik.
>>244
Snow I'm pretty disappointed. Your end goal was to abolish the rules by becoming a mod through trolling and harassing everyone? It's a shitty board because no one knows how to fucking manage it anymore, not because the users are shit. If you want to make this place better, be a better user and mod. Having some empathy as well is never a bad thing. There are kids on the site, and there are people who have kids by their computers a lot. Uboachan has NEVER been entirely nsfw, so there's no reason to not browse it because of that. The board has spoiler images now, so if they aren't being used what the fuck is the point in them? It should be a rule and a courtesy because not everyone wants to stumble on gore and tits, because like I said before, if they wanted that they'd go to /b/ or in another case gurochan. Yume Nikki is a surreal adventure game, not an R rated grindhouse thing.
I'm getting really tired of this tbh.
No.249
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>>247
Tsuki can, she has admin access to messing with the site. Can always ask booj to text her and have it taken care of once we finally come to a consensus (looks like one has been slowly coalescing) to finally clear out the confusion.>>247
>>>244
We had it like that, once before. Totally unregulated. It was a mess, it was shitty, and people were giant twatrockets to each other on the board and in IRC. Eventually that came to change with a new set of staff of people who genuinely wanted the community to be more comfortable and like the environment wasn't a piece of shit free-for-all. The way it is now could be worse in so many different ways and has been.
Before, I'm sure this thread wouldn't even have been acknowledged. I feel that's better in a respect alone, even at the cost of some regulation and people whining about it when the staff doesn't meet the user's wishes. And you know what? Past the whining, we've got some (somewhat) decent discussion going and are trying to meet in the middle. I feel that's better than nothing.
Even so, I'm sorry you're leaving and that things wound up this way, snow. And that you've wound up being made to feel how you do. Try and keep in touch okay? I'd like to hear from you every now and then, even if it isn't via ubuu.
No.251
NSFW doesn't mean unregulated, the small rules we already have - no CP, furry content, troll threads, or guro - have worked and do work perfectly fine for this board; they are all the limitations we need, anything more would be excessive.
Being an adult imageboard doesn't automatically make this a free-for-all porn board, and the sooner people realize that, the better. Just because you have the freedom to post pornographic or other non-worksafe content doesn't mean that the board will be taken over by porn, nor does it prevent this from being a topic-driven imageboard.
If people want to be courteous about what they post, it is up to them, that's why spoiler images exist, so people can choose to hide what they think other people might not want to see. When you make it a requirement to spoil images that may offend others, you take that bit of freedom away, I mean, sure, your board, your rules, I understand that, but that doesn't change the fact that censorship is the epitome of unfun. There's nothing fun about an imageboard that flings a bunch of restraints and regulations into your face and stomps on you for putting a finger out of line, and really, what's the point of coming to a place like this when it isn't even fun?
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>>252
This guy right here is so high.
No.255
>>251
>Being an adult imageboard doesn't automatically make this a free-for-all porn board, and the sooner people realize that, the better
you're right. this is an adult imageboard.
what i dont understand is:
it's okay to do it and applauded and encouraged if it isn't required, and it stays a fun board if we do it without it being written to do so.
but as soon as it is a rule it is bad and is "censorship" and is "restraining" and is "regulations thrown into the face of the members".
if this is an adult board i'm pretty sure the members can handle being told to give warning to their graphic material.
most of our members can't even legally view all this content, and i'm sure even more (… than have already posted in this thread) don't want to see it thrown in their face.
… which can be seen as very rude to do. this is very much a topic-driven board, about not-porn and not even guro (with the exception of .flow i guess?… but that is its own board and stays self-contained, even if the graphic material is "relevant".)
madotsuki has a knife. we don't really see anything other than a little splurt of blood and nothing else. the most graphic monster mentioned, the "headless potbellied monsters", have a flat cut where their "head" was (did they even have one originally?) with red on it. YN is fairly friendly in terms of graphic content, i would probably give YN a rating of pg-13 at most, because it has some serious themes involved, rather than graphic imagery. but then again let's take a look at disney movies and we'll see plenty of extremely heavy themes relating to very openly displayed parental abuse in most movies, slavery, killing of family members… is yume nikki really that extreme in comparison? I'd let my siblings play YN. it's a fun, exploration type game that stimulates the imagination and has a startling ending, which spurs the idea of "oh wow what happened?" or is just "LOL WTF SO RANDUM xD WHY DID SHE DO THAT LOL", which i am 90% certain is how my little brother would react. you get from YN what you take from it. that is the way it was constructed.
Kids watch Chuckie. Kids watch Scream, for crying out loud. those movies are way scary and way more graphic. disney movies are scarier and more graphic. arguing that yume nikki is 18+… it isn't.
edit: just found a prime example.
One movie i watched when i was about 7 years old: dragonheart.
PG-13 movie. you could see spurting blood, and the swords making the ridiculous wounds happen. at one point the main dragon opens up his scales and is like "come at me bro kill me fo da good of da urf" and is stabbed on-screen. and stabbed in the mouth/through his head. etc.
come on guys.
No.263
>>260
Of course I read it, I just thought it was a rhetorical question. But I'll answer your question if you actually don't know why
The rule being discussed is in the OP, but that's not what this discussion is about at the moment. It is about freedom, not about people actually wanting to be free to spam gore/porn non-stop. Spoilering images due to necessity does not equal doing so as a courtesy
To give you a real-life example: I have chosen not to vote plenty of times in my life. But I can assure you I'd be way beyond pissed if a revolution of some sort took place and the current establishment took away our freedom to vote. Which doesn't even mean I'd vote if that hypothetical revolution hadn't taken place, but I sure as fuck want to be able to choose whether I'll vote or not
As for your other points:
- Law-bound regulations are covered by rule 1 already. And no, if members didn't mind being forced to spoiler NSFW stuff, they wouldn't have made it clear in this thread that they DO mind, be it the majority of them or otherwise
- The people who are stating their opinion in this thread ARE representative of the whole website. The others either aren't bothering or don't know yet, which means they either won't do it or will do it eventually. So unless the ones against this rule are inexplicably more alert than the ones in favour, this thread is a fair representation of the website's members' opinions, and you can bet whichever decision is made will take this thread's posts into account
- The rules state this as a NSFW chan. That's it. If underage people are using it then they SHOULDN'T, but making sure they visit SFW websites is their parents' responsibility, not this chan's. Next thing we know porn sites will remove their porn because kids are going there
- There is no guro in the .flow board. Guro isn't gore, it is (off the top of my head) body modification/mutilation intended to be erotic (to some people of course). Just a guy with his head split open doesn't qualify as guro, there have to be underlying erotic themes. There are gory images but they're part of the game/game's fanart, and I seriously can't believe they'd target game-related images for this spoiler rule anyway
And just for curiosity's sake, I'd like to know where will this end? Are we going to be forced to spoil words like fuck and cunt next?
No.264
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Maybe we should just put up a sign that says; "This board may contain adult themes, and is not suited for everyone. Viewer discretion is advised."
>.>
That may be an eye sore…
No.266
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WOAH WOOAAH WOOOooooaaahhhh……
Spoilering NSFW images was recommended to me a while ago, and it seemed like a good idea at the time. If I'd thought it would cause such an argument, I may have reconsidered.
Here are my thoughts: Spoilering NSFW images gives us the illusion of being an SFW site. We totally aren't. You don't always know what's behind the spoilered image anyway, unless I were to make the rules more ridiculous and require you to put "NSFW IMAGE" in every such post.
I added that rule because I was under the illusion that that's what all of the users wanted. Honestly, let's talk about it. In my opinion, people who are too sensitive to handle seeing a couple surprise tits pop on their screen shouldn't be on the Internet. And this site isn't for children anyway.
It is a bit of a chore to spoiler images that may be NSFW, under risk of having the image deleted. It may detract a bit from the posting, and even the viewing experience. But I won't make the same mistake again by changing it either way until we come to some sort of consensus.
Proceed.
No.267
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I personally can't see why this seems to be such an unwanted addendum to the rules. You stop before posting, go; "Would some random board-goer not want to see this?" and check off a button near new reply. Before you push it, just pause and ask yourself that question before you submit. It's not hard, nor is consideration or courtesy a bad thing. It's not even implied that there's a severe repercussion for posting something non-spoilered. Excluding things that Snow had done (which she exaggeratedly did for her own reasons,) the most other mods have done were delete and repost with a spoiler. Sometimes maybe not repost.
This isn't a LET'S MAKE THE BOARD SFW sort of motion. It's just "Let's be considerate and spoil certain things."
I can't handle how little of a thing this really is and how out of proportion its growing just because people either a) have some aversion to pressing small tickboxes b) are incapable of/dislike having courtesy for others c) they don't like reposting their own images when they've been deleted d) they think everyone is into the same stuff as them or c) it's the internet so just d. w/it or leave, which is the laziest, most inane excuse of all and will eventually devolve any online site into a shithole.
Just because some people on the internet are jaded or have certain fetishes, doesn't mean you just throw them onto the table where anyone may see them. Some people aren't jaded or don't have those fetishes or what have you. Ultimately, the price a person has to pay when they want to share those fetishes or post whatever else, is the effort it takes to think and press a little ticker next to two words. Whereas someone else may wind up feeling uncomfortable in a place they want to be and have to see things they may rather not want to. I think that's a little too unfair for the run of the mill folk who likes the sight, but doesn't like some of the fetishes the userbase may have.
And trust me, I know some of you do.
This isn't some kind of police state, nor is it going to evolve into one because you have to press a small button. If you feel it's overbearing that you have to spoil your potentially unwanted pictures (I've described in posts earlier the kind of things that should be spoiled and it's not much in the first place), perhaps it would wise for you to contemplate how overbearing it is for any average user to want to be in a place that may have images scattered around it that they may not want to see.
No.275
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>>273
Sounds good to me.
No.276
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>>270
We have to get Canta to repost it then. Ask him next time you see him, he's a nice guy
>>271
The two guro discussions I know of happened here
http://uboachan.net/ot/res/155.html (actual guro which was duly deleted)
and here
http://uboachan.net/co/res/15.html (completely harmless pic deleted by Snow, see my SPOILERED pic)
>>269
The only guro I remember seeing here, besides all the pictures of Mado's severed head at /mado/, happened a good bit of time before the spoiler checkbox had appeared
>>272
I remember the navel thread's guro image deletion, I was this guy http://uboachan.net/ot/res/155.html#347
You misunderstood. I mentioned that thread as an example of a fetish (even though that particular one is harmless). Not because of the guro image that appeared in it. Regardless of how tame it was by guro standards, the deletion of that image was completely deserved, all the more seeing as guro is clearly prohibited by the rules
Can you give me an example or two of the enforcing of that rule in action? I'm actually curious here, just want to see what needed to be spoilered, yet went past me
>>273
That's a very good solution from where I'm standing. As I said in >>245, this chan is (in my opinion) no place for extreme images, regardless of whether they depict extreme violence or bizarre/disturbing pornographic acts
As such my opinion is that, more than a guideline, you could add a rule enforcing the spoilering of not only extreme porn but also extreme gore. This, of course, as long as regular porn and gore are left alone
I only opposed this rule so adamantly because these rules tend to get out of hand due to their subjectivity, and seemingly harmless/regular stuff gets deleted for no reason as well. So to be clear on what I'm proposing, I'll link these images. Click the links at your own discretion
Regular gore, no mandatory spoilering -
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.ch/d/da/Emo_Girl_Cuts_Herself_Picture-13.jpg
Extreme gore, mandatory spoilering -
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.ch/7/78/Emo_Girl_Cuts_Herself_Picture-74.jpg
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.ch/7/71/Emo_Girl_Cuts_Herself_Picture-105.jpg
I realize, for some, these may be a bit too tame to be considered "extreme gore" , but we have to take into account the average netizen as well
No.362
>>359
You know why people contradict themselves? Because it is so fuck-obvious that they're right, they don't even know what part the other party isn't understanding, and thus don't know where to start. But hey, here's an example:
- Hey guys, this is where I work, it's a foundry
- Oh, so we have to be careful here, there's molten metal and whatnot
- Haha not at all, we don't deal with anything foundry-related because that would be dangerous :(
This is a NSFW chan, a fact which is STATED in the fucking rules. The rules ALSO state people have to be 18+ years of age to browse this chan. And yet, people are getting their images and their posts deleted because they post NSFW images. Now how about you tell me where's the irony in THAT?
No.381
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all board is porn board
can't see dick can't get chancoin
must have spoiler can't want fun
back in the day our robot overlords commemorated us for posting porn, with cries of "pls more"
here's a vote to a free uboachan, a just uboachan, with uncensored posting of its users held to be of great importance
No.384
NSFW content is allowed on all boards, but 100% of NSFW images will be spoilered 100% of the time, or they will be deleted. This is the final decision. There will be no further arguments heard on this point. I'm sorry if some of you don't agree, but sometimes there just isn't a way to make everyone happy. I will leave this thread open for your closing statements, and then I will lock it.
It seems like this argument has been going on forever. Spoiler NSFW, disallow NSFW, allow unspoilered NSFW everywhere. It's a matter of base policy, and as such, it has to be made very, very clear, and it has to be permanent.
There is no middle ground. We've tried and it just doesn't work. There's a point where I have to step in and say, "Deal with it." It's an ugly stance, but it's part of my job, and it's something I sometimes have to do, or things start falling apart. So after a chat with kaguya and a few of our mods, and a bit of thought, this is the way it's going to be.
We are a mature, adult site, but we aren't a pornographic site. I don't want to ban NSFW completely, because I believe it can have a place on the boards. However, I won't have it visible to people who aren't looking to see it. This isn't 4chan. We're civilized people here. Although "if you can't handle a pair of tits you shouldn't be on the internet" is an argument I've made before, it's also a bad one, suited to sites that aren't Uboachan. I'm making this decision based on these values, and I am not changing it again.
Thank you for your opinions. I hope that while some of you may not agree with this decision, you will all respect it.
P.S. Guro, gore, scat, furry, and shock porn are still disallowed even behind spoilers.
No.385
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>P.S. Guro, gore, scat, furry, and shock porn are still disallowed even behind spoilers.
fuck that was MY line >:c
but ok ilu sei babe
No.388
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>>384
>>385
You're all welcome, by the way. It was all my idea!
Yall can thank me later.
No.389
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>>388
What are you talking about this is all my fault. inb4 death threats
/(^_^)/
also following staff trend and doing stupid mugshot picture
No.398
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>>397
Addendum: aaaaaaa the mods are dump aaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAあああああああああああああああああああ